Review: Valerian, Sleep 3

Taking valerian at night is what enabled me to clear my brainfog enough to start this blog site. This review is split in two because I started off taking Valerian tablets and then after reading about this research  and “that there might be a big difference between fresh fluid extracts and dry extracts due to degradation or loss of active ingredients during the preparation of dry extracts” I switched to plant juice. I feel like I get more deep sleep with the juice.

1. Valerian Root Extract Tablets

pic of valerian packet

Higher Nature Tablets

Heritage/Spiritual context*: Valerian has been documented as herbal medicine since Ancient Roman times (Hippocrates and Galen). It means to be strong and healthy.

Their explanation: It is usually used for insomnia and anxiety but also generally calms the Central Nervous System and can reduce symptoms of IBS, muscle pain and overactive bladder (very interesting for us)

Accepting Sceptics’ view^: The research tends to be on sleep quality and latency (length of time to get to sleep). Results are mixed but some studies are very encouraging: it helps reduce latency and increase deep and REM sleep.

What to expect: You take a tablet about half an hour before you want to sleep

Helps with: Insomnia and anxiety. Can also help with overactive bladder, muscle pain, period pain and IBS

Not so good for: Feeling alert

Side effects/cautions: After a couple of weeks I felt sleepy in the day which is unusual for me. I once had a paradoxical reaction when I took it with low blood sugar – I felt an edgy alertness. I read somewhere that there are no side effects, but I think anything that works also has some side effects: If taken in large doses, the side effects are nausea, dizziness, restlessness, blurry vision, and excitability”.

My questionª: The symptoms valerian can ease are very relevant for ME/CFS/FMS, why don’t people talk about this more?

Further reading: NIH factsheetOveractive bladder; easy reading summary of research; heavy reading report

 

2. Valerian Plant Juice

pic of bottle

Salus Plant Juice

What to expect: You drink a disgusting measure of juice just before bed (down it like a shot and clean your teeth just after to get rid of the vile taste!).

Helps with: I found the tablet (see above) did help with getting to sleep but I still used a combined approach of the tablet with aromatherapy oils, acupressure points and a magnesium supplement. This plant juice has a stronger effect and worked more like a prescribed sleeping pill and I don’t need the combined approach. More importantly, I realised that I haven’t had proper deep sleep for years, because now I am sleeping so differently. I’m not aware of time passing through the night and even had one night when I only woke once and it wasn’t because I needed to go to the loo (previously I often woke every hour).

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from Dimpfell and Suter (2008) Sleep improving effects of a single dose administration of a valerian/hops fluid extract
Eur J Med Res. May 26;13(5):200-4.

Not so good for: The effects can wear off towards the end of the night, and I don’t know whether to repeat the dose. I sometimes sleep (normally) badly from 4.30am onwards.

Side effects/cautions: This has stronger effects so it may be wise to start with a really small dose. A strange side effect I have is increased (rather than decreased) pain. To start with this was really intense fibromyalgia pain but it is now easing after a few weeks. I can’t find any record online of this being a side effect so think it is an individual reaction (I had the same reaction to melatonin). At the moment I’m choosing to live with the pain.

My questionª: I’d really appreciate it if someone gave me a medical explanation as to why my fibro pain gets so bad after taking things that increase deep sleep (more clues¹)? I know there is some evidence that FMS is caused by deep sleep disturbance, so why would my pain increase when I get more deep sleep? It feels like this is a central question for my recovery.

Further reading: Aqueous Valerian

Sleep improving effects of a single dose administration of a valerian/hops fluid extract


 Key:

¹ I was starting to think that fibromyalgia and ME are separate conditions because since my ME relapse I’ve had less fibro pain (in other words they don’t get worse together). Perhaps what I think is fibro pain is something else? I once had blood tests done on a day when I had this pain and my creatine kinase levels were high (510 rather than 50 on a day when I didn’t have the pain). I don’t believe this is expected for ME or FMS. Doctors said it was caused by muscle damage, which seems like a circular argument because there was no injury or exercise associated with the pain. When I get the pain it feels like its all over but especially my eyes and hands and tender points like fibromyalgia (although I have more tender points).

•I will indicate if specific religious belief is required. Most meditative practices are rooted in spiritual traditions but you do not usually need to believe anything specifically to benefit from using them.

^ This is either a best-guess at other reasons for the positive effect of the practice or based on secular research. It should make it more palatable to those of you who can’t believe the official position (see ‘Why, sometimes…‘).

ª Can you help me to understand? If so, please comment.

9 thoughts on “Review: Valerian, Sleep 3

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  2. I have been sick for ten years and have found that I hurt more the day after a quality nights sleep. There even have been times when my wife has had to help me losen my legs and arms in the morning because I have slept so soundly.

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      • Is it to do with vasodilation (veins expanding more)? Most things that help sleep are also vasodilators. Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor. So far chamomile is the only relaxing thing I can find that’s also a vasoconstrictor. I now know I have POTS (I didn’t know when writing this post) and vasodilation is particularly bad for POTS. Does it cause all over pain though?

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      • Hei, I sometimes have the same, that if I had a night where I was awake more than usual I dont have es much pain. I figured its from positoning myself more consiously (like putting my head well and my legs on the support pillow) and from moving more than in times I have less concious sleep.
        It has limits though if I sleep really badly I will have more pain. Typically if I get too little sleep. Or if I have bad sleep for a cause that will influence pain levels, like being cold, bad sleeping surface, supressing having to go to the toilet..

        This post is a long time ago. And you write about POTS in your comment. I supposedly have POTS too and wonder, do you still take this juice now?
        I am looking for something to make my sleep better because I sleep so long very night and am hoping if the quaility of my sleep got better, I would need less sleep.

        Greetings from Berlin .)
        RC

        PS loveing your AI series!

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      • Thanks! I’ve found it hard to buy this version in the uk in recent years. I bought a different version but I’m currently on the keto diet and realised the version I have has too much carb in it. Currently I’m taking 10 mg of amitriptyline to help with body clock and nerve pain

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